March 2, 2008
Sisters & Brothers
Posted by Tracy Grant under Beneath a Silent Moon, Dorothy Dunnett, Georgette Heyer, Jane Austen, Lymond Chronicles, Marguerite St. Just, Mélanie and Charles Fraser, Penelope Williamson, Pride and Prejudice, Scarlet Pimpernel, Secrets of a Lady, Sense and Sensibility, Shakespeare, The Other Boleyn Girl, operaI had a fun afternoon today seeing a matinee of The Other Boleyn Girl with a friend. I’ve loved Tudor & Elizabethan history every since I watched The Six Wives of Henry VIII and Elizabeth R on tv as a young child (closely followed by a family trip to Britain where we visited Hampton Court, the Tower of London, and so many other locations that featured in both series). I love watching different dramatizations of the era, getting different takes on familiar events, discussing (as my friend and I did over a lunch) what was historically accurate, what was changed, what’s open to interpretation.
One of the things I found most intriguing about The Other Boleyn Girl as a both a book and a movie is the complex relationships of the three Boleyn siblings, Anne, Mary, and George. Relationships between siblings offer such a rich wealth for an author to explore–love, jealousy, understanding, misunderstanding, competition, support, histories that intertwine from the cradle. Shakespeare offers Edmund and Edgar, whose rivalries and betrayals build to one of the best duels in dramatic literature. Goneril and Regan, rivals over Edmund and a country, and their very different sister Cordelia. Kate and Bianca, whose rivalry, though comic, runs every bit as deep in many ways as Edmund and Edgar’s. Separated twins, such as Viola and Sebastian and the Antipholus and Dromio brothers, who can’t really be whole until they find each other again. Opera includes a wealth of complicated sibling relationships including Il Trovatore’s separated brothers who become rivals for the same woman; Enrico Ashton who manipulates and destroys his sister Lucia; Siegmunde and Sieglinde, also separated at birth, who discover each other and sing one the most glorious love duets ever written; Dorabella and Fiordiligi, who, victims of their fiancés’ deception, find themselves falling in love with the other’s betrothed.
Jane Austen has devoted, supportive siblings such as Elizabeth and Jane Bennet, Elinor, Marianne Dashwood, and Henry and Eleanor Tilney, but also difficult siblings such as Lydia Bennet and Mary Musgrove (well, Marianne qualifies as difficult along with devoted and supportive), and dismissive and downright destructive siblings such as Elizabeth Elliott. Marguerite St. Juste is torn between her sense of honor and her loyalty to her brother. Francis Crawford of Lymond’s relationship with his brother Richard, fraught with with rivalry, protectiveness, and misunderstanding on both sides, runs through out the Lymond Chronicles (including what is probably my favorite ever duel in a novel), as does Lymond’s guilt over the death of his sister Eloise. My friend Penny Williamson often writes about siblings, particularly brothers, and has a wonderful knack for capturing the nuances of loyalty and rivalry, particularly in Heart of the West, Mortal Sins, and The Wages of Sin. One of my favorite literary sibling relationships is the wonderfully offhand, yet deeply affectionate, relationship between Venetia and her brother Aubrey in Georgette Heyer’s Venetia.
Sibling relationships play a key role in my own novels, but I realized in the months I’ve been blogging I haven’t really talked about Charles’s relationship with his brother Edgar, which is so important in Secrets of a Lady, or with his sister Gisèle, which features prominently in Beneath a Silent Moon. Charles and Edgar’s story was part of my very early planning for the book. It’s integral to who Charles is. I had worked out quite a bit of their back story before I’d quite figured out Edgar’s role in the plot. Then when I knew where the story was going, I had to work out more details of the Fraser brothers’ history. I’m not quite sure when I decided part of that history included a younger sister. But it seemed important that Charles had another sibling who had remained in Britain, who part part of the life he had turned his back on. Exploring their relationship (and Gisèle’s anger at his turning his back on home) was part of what drove me to write Beneath a Silent Moon. I was well into the first draft of Secrets of a Lady before I realized that it was important that Mélanie had had a sister and what role that sister had played in shaping the woman Mélanie became.
Have you seen The Other Boleyn Girl or read the book? Do you have favorite books about siblings? What did you think of the way Charles and Edgar’s relationship unfolded in Secrets of a Lady? If you’ve read Beneath a Silent Moon, was Gisèle what you expected in Charles’s sister? (Or if you haven’t read it, what do you expect to learn about her?).
This week’s addition the Fraser Correspondence is a letter from Earl Quentin to his younger brother Lord Valentine. Quen and Val are important characters in Beneath a Silent Moon. Speaking of which, you can see the cover for the re-release of Beneath a Silent Moon on the Avon Authors site. Let me know what you think–I’m very happy with it!
Update 5 March: I’m blogging on History Hoydens today. As a companion to this post, I use The Other Boleyn Girl to talk about history films and inspiration for writing. Do stop by and comment!
March 2, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Oh, I LOVED the book! I have yet to see the movie. I know, I know… Gregory is historically inaccurate. I just read for a good yarn. Heck, the biographers and historians can’t agree on Anne Boleyn! I have three different bios on Marie Antoinette; each authors have their own interpretations of the facts.
Sorry, that’s OT.
Tracy, I’ve noticed that many of your books have the sibling dynamics as a theme.
The Edgar/Charles relationship reminds me of the tangled situation in “A Sensible Marriage”. (SPOILERS AHEAD)
In which a younger, legitimate son resents his older brother who is the heir but not actually his father’s son.
Giselle… I have mixed feelings about her. Her resentment of Charles is a bit much; what sort of relationship would they have had if he’d stayed in England and done what was expected of him? (Marrying Honoria, for instance… shudder) Of course, she’s very young. I hope to see her in Mask of Night.
In many books, siblings are presented as saints who carry the family (hero and heroine) or selfish parasites who live off the hero/heroine. It’s usually a lot more complicated.
After all, when you think about it, would Lydia and Kitty and Mary be such nitwits if Jane and Lizzie hadn’t been such a unit within themselves?
March 2, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Tracy — any news on publication of your third Charles-Melanie book? I’ve enjoyed all your books and can’t wait for more. Many thanks for hours of pleaure.
March 3, 2008 at 7:18 am
Not OT at all, JMM. I think it’s fascinating to read different interpretations of the same historical events and people (the challenge for the historical novelist is that in general one has to to pick one interpretation and dramatize it, while the nonfiction writer can discuss various possible interpretations). I *loved* “The Other Boleyn Girl” too. Couldn’t put it down. Not my precisely my interpretation of the events based on what I know, but a brilliant novel that layers interesting interpretations on a lot of known facts. I couldn’t put the book down. And I really enjoyed the movie. Do see it and let me know what you think. I missed some things that had to be cut from the novel, but I thought they did a great job of turning it into a film. Great acting. I cried at the end, as did the friend I saw the movie with. We’d both read the book and afterwards we both said we hadn’t expected to cry and found ourselves sobbing.
I do write about siblings a lot (my mom’s and my first Anthea Malcolm Regency was about three sisters). You’re right, Harry and Ned in “A Sensible Match” are in some ways an earlier, less dark working of the dynamic between Charles and Edgar.
Gisèle, as you say, is very young. Only nineteen (I thought I was grown up at nineteen but looking back I was such a child). I think her anger at Charles for leaving Britain is all mixed up with her anger at her mother for killing herself and her father for never being much of a presence in her life. Her world was ripped apart and her eldest brother (I think she’d been closer to Charles than to Edgar and depended on him more) went away abruptly. She certainly didn’t want Charles to marry Honoria, but in her mind if he’d stayed in Britain she’d have seen him more (which is true). As you say, she isn’t entirely rational on the subject, but then I think people often aren’t rational in such circumstances. (Perhaps it’s not coincidental that I wrote “Beneath a Silent Moon” not long after my father died, following my mother’s death a few years earlier; I was over a decade older than Gisèle, and I know my response wasn’t entirely rational). You’re right, I think it will be interesting to see how Gisèle grows up. I have some interesting future story ideas for her…:-).
I hadn’t thought of it until you brought it up, but it would be fascinating to look at the Bennet family from the pov of Kitty or Mary. With all the Jane Austen spin-offs, has anyone retold P&P from their perspective?
March 3, 2008 at 7:20 am
Pam, thanks so much for posting! No definite news, but I am hopeful. I will definitely post an update on the site as soon as I have news. Meanwhile, please do keep checking and commenting! I can’t tell you how wonderful and encouraging it is to know there are readers waiting for the next Charles & Mélanie book.
Have you read the teasers from “The Mask of Night” on my site? If not, scroll back through the Dear Reader posts to find them (and let me know what you think!).
March 3, 2008 at 12:44 pm
I love the cover, Tracy - is that Mme. Recamier? Old portraits and stylish fonts are all it takes to draw me towards historical fiction - is that positive discrimination for books, I wonder?
March 3, 2008 at 4:36 pm
So glad you like the cover, Sarah! It is Madame Recamier, but Madame Recamier isn’t a character in the book. That portrait has been used on a number of book covers, including ones by my friends Amanda Elyot and Candice Hern. Presumably on my book cover, the portrait is supposed to be Mélanie (and she is the right physical type). I love old portraits and stylish fonts on book covers too–and these days, old portraits tend to be used to denote historical fiction, so it’s not a bad guide to use toward which books to pick up :-).
March 3, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Dysfunctional families in opera are so much fun. I don’t think there is one normal family in that genre, lol. If it’s not brothers as rivals over a woman (Corrado end Enrico in Maria di Rudenz) it’s over the family estate (Francesco and Carlo in I Masnadieri), or they spend the entire opera chasing a sister to kill her (Don Carlo di Vargas in La Forza del Destino), or get themselves killed in order to protect the sister (Valentin in Gounod’s Marguerite). And if it’s not siblings, it’s fathers and sons (Don Carlos/King Philipp, Arrigo/Montforte, Jacopo/Doge in Due Foscari) or fathers and daughters (Nabucco/Abigail, Rigoletto/Gilda, Giacomo/Giovanna d’Arco, Simone Boccanegra/Amelia, Miller/Luisa Amonasro/Aida) or, more seldom, mother and son (Azucena/Manrico) or mother and daughter (Queen of the Night/Pamina). Sometimes even a married couple like in Stiffelio or Gemma di Vergy. Combinations of several dysfunctional relationships can be traced as well (in I Masnadieri it’s Francesco and his father, too, and the family in I Lombardi is so messed up a shrink would have a field day
)
Add to that the usual love stories that end badly (no need to give examples here, lol), religion (Poliuto) and power struggles (Maria Stuarda, Anna Bolena) and you don’t need to go anywhere else for plot ideas. *grin*
Ok, I do go other places as well and come up with rival brothers, brother and sister brothers separated early and ending up on opposite sides, or father/son relationships that don’t work, but strange enough, I don’t have a single father/daughter or mother/son relationship in my NiPs.
What I do have a lot is friendships between men who aren’t supposed to be friends (the most tragic one being Arminius and Germanicus).
March 3, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Great collection of opera conflicts, Gabriele! And then there’s the whole tangle of the House of Atreus tangle, as see in “Electra” and “Iphigéngie en Tauride” (I almost mentioned that in my original, thinkin about the two quite different reunions Orestes/Oreste has with Electra and Iphigénie in the two operas). I too find operas wonderful sources of plot inspiration (particularly all the family conflicts you’ve outlined so well). Conflicts in operas tend to be so strong and intense–to the point of being over the top, but you can often take that conflict, play “what if…?” with the circumstances, and build a great plot.
I love writing about parent/child conflicts as well–one of the reasons “Beneath a Silent Moon” is a prequel is that I realized I really wanted a book where I could explore Charles’s relationship with Kenneth Fraser.
March 4, 2008 at 1:16 am
Ok, if you name Electra, I raise you a Hamlet.
What I do find interesting is that Verdi has particularly many family conflicts. Not that other operas don’t have them on occasion (Belisario, Duca d’Alba, La Straniera, to name just a few), but often the love conflict is the most important one, while Verdi has them since his first father/daughter conflict in Oberto all the way to the married couple in Othello. He can even do without a love conflict aka romance subplot at all (Macbeth, I Due Foscari).
One I remember filching from an opera is my Visigoth who turns out to be a Roman foundling - I even kept the name Alamir(o) - who in the opera ‘Belisario’ turns out to be Belisar’s son while I gave him a brother in the Roman army as main focus, besides the biological father. It was that and a History Channel report about the Visigoths that triggered the plotbunny: what if a Goth learns he’s adopted, meets with his Roamn brother (first without knowing) and finds out right when the Visigoths lay siege to Rome. *evil grin*
But often it’s historical places, like a visit to the battlefield of the Varus battle gave me the idea to write a novel about Arminius.
March 4, 2008 at 1:52 am
Great reference to “Hamlet”–play or opera just about every family relationship possible–father/son, mother/son, brothers, brother/sister, uncle/nephew–just about everything but sisters. “Hamlet” actually had a lot to do with the inspiration for “Beneath a Silent Moon.” “Hamlet” and “Così fan tutte”
(both of which are referenced in my acknowledgments).
Totally agree that a lot of Verdi’s most interesting relationships (and music) are between family members or friends rather than romantic pairings. One of my favorite Verdi duets is between Carol & Rodrigo in “Don Carlo.” Speaking of family relationships and Verdi, on my dad’s 80th birthday we went to the opera–we had season tickets that night, and he thought dinner and the opera would be a fun way to celebrate. It was only later that I thought about what the opera was–it was “Rigoletto.” Another time I went to a local Shakespeare festival with friends on their wedding anniversary–it was “Othello” :-).
Your plots sound wonderful!
March 4, 2008 at 2:32 am
I love that duet, too.
I’ve staged Marquis Posa in Schiller’s play with our school theatre group. It was my last year and I had become a bit of the star of the group after Countess Orsina (Lessing’s Emilia Galotti), Maria Stuart (Schiller’s version), Marie in Büchner’s Woyzeck, and Goethe’s Iphigenie which I also directed, so I got the pick.
I actually miss playing.
March 4, 2008 at 2:38 am
How cool! I did a lot of acting in high school and college. I miss it too, though I love going to the theater and having theater sequences in my books :-).
March 4, 2008 at 2:50 am
Lol, my plots are a mess - I do very little planning except research (if I don’t work on my guilty little secret, the Fantasy project) and write out of order, but somehow, things begin to fall into place. Though I concentrate on the early Empire these days rather than the Visigoths. A Land Unconquered has so many dysfunctional relationships: Arminius doesn’t get along with his father-in-law (and in my version not very well with his wife, either), Germanicus doesn’t get along with Tiberius, Irminric doesn’t get along with his dad, Adgandes has problems with his sister, Cornelius Lentulus gets along with no one, and Clodia Atella runs away from her husband, thus starting a family feud lasting several generations and three novels. Add to this tree dead legions and several more battles, a traitor, a mutiny, an assassination attempt and general mayhem, and you’ll get a nice, epic novel.
The continuation, Eagle of the Sea, is not much better. It has a secret marriage, a Roman who finds out his mother was from the Caledonian tribes, a scheming member of the Cornelii Lentuli clan, a Batavian mutineer, a mysterious tribal chief with unsure allegiances, a mad druid, and the battle of Mons Graupius. And that’s only the beginning
March 4, 2008 at 2:51 am
I have some singing.
I could have theatre scenes in Rome, but I don’t think I can make it work in my plot.
March 4, 2008 at 3:07 am
One of the great things about writing historical novels is that the history helps shape the plot. I was reading the Q&A with Philippa Gregory in the back of “The Other Boleyn Girl” today, and she talks about writing with a time chart on the wall that shows who was where when, dates of births and miscarriages, etc… Dorothy Dunnett talked about mapping out the history of the era she was writing in and how that shaped her plot. Charles and Mélanie’s back story in my series is almost completely shaped by the events of the Napoleonic Wars and the Congress of Vienna.
And from your description, your research into Roman history yields some fabulous plot twists!
Great that you’ve worked singing into the books. You could always do theatre in a future book…
March 4, 2008 at 3:57 am
Yes, history helps. But I like times best where there are white spots as well for me to play. The Napoleonic era is too well documented.
The Roman attempts to expand into Germania only offer some details (the battles, names of some officers, the mutiny of the Rhine army, the troubles between Arminius and his father-in-law, as perceived by a Roman writing 75 years after the events) while the Germanic culture remains a mystery even to Tacitus, lol. We know that there was a rivalry between Germanicus and his adoptive father Tiberius, but we don’t know what the relationship between Arminius and Germanicus was. They had both fought as Roman officers in the Pannonian wars, they will have met, but what came out of it is my invention.
You can’t invent a friendship between Napoleon and Wellington.
Though I use a lot of fictional characters with whom I have more leeway. Irminric, Adgandes, Cornelius Lentulus and Clodia Atella are my invention. fe. And if I want to play wild, I write Fantasy - though it’s more anchored in an alternate history than I had thought.
March 4, 2008 at 4:07 am
You’re so right about the Napoleonic era being too well documented to allow the historical novelist a lot of leeway–that’s why my main characters are fictional. Even so I can do things like have Hortense Bonaparte make a secret trip to England in 1820–I figure I’m okay because it *could* have happened (and I have an Historical Note of course explaining that it didn’t). The lack of documentation for the era you write about must be at once frustrating and full of wonderful possibilities!
March 4, 2008 at 4:32 am
Sometimes it is frustrating. Like the search for high ranking officers - if I want to sneak an invented legate or tribune into a legion, I have to make sure the historical ones are _not_ known, and that can be a hassle because the lists are incomplete. So, did I not find the legate because he’s not listed, or because the lists are all over the place when it comes to publication, and I managed to miss the name? Someone’s going to know and write a nasty review.
It’s also not easy to write interesting Roman women because their life was so restricted. I have more leeway with the Germans and proto-Picts about whom we know very little.
Though there were backdoors. One future plotbunny involves a female Roman physician at the Rhine border, because surgical instruments have been found in female burials.
Damn, I wish I could write faster.
March 4, 2008 at 5:32 am
It’s so hard when you can’t find a detail but suspect the answer exists somewhere. That’s where I again resort to my Historical Note, explaining what facts I had, what I still don’t know, and why I made the decision I did. But I’m always convinced that a zillion people who know the correct answer will read the book.
I love the idea of a book about a female Roman physician!
March 6, 2008 at 3:28 am
I only notice when the error is a BIG one.
Like the Georgian I found a few years ago with a heroine whose mother was - get this - the mistress of Louis XVI! And I only knew that was not possible because I’d been reading up on Marie Antoinette.
Historical research is a big reason my work in progress is still… in progress.
March 6, 2008 at 6:19 am
So cool that you’re working on a book, JMM! Can you say anything about it? Is it Regency? Georgian?
Inventing fictional illegitimate children for real historical figures is a potential minefield. I once had a very idle thought, for about five seconds, about having character who was an illegitimate child of the Empress Josephine, until I realized that of course her inability to bear children in her second marriage was of crucial historical significance. I thought Louis XVI was able to father children after he had an operation? Is that now called into question?
March 6, 2008 at 2:04 pm
It’s Georgian, Tracy. Set around the end of the 18th century.
Actually, the heroine is not the child of Louis XVI. Yes, he fathered 4 kids.
My amusement came from knowing that it took him *seven* years to consummate his marriage in the first place, and it was well known he never kept a mistress. He was a figure of fun for what the French Court considered his lack of ‘manliness’ and his children’s paternity was openly questioned.
Also, the heroine was ‘kept’ in a house in Paris so the Queen wouldn’t know. King’s mistresses were pretty much kept openly at Court, from everything I’ve read.
March 6, 2008 at 6:05 pm
The setting for your book sounds fabulous, JMM–I love the end of the 18th century, particularly the last part of the last decade, the Directoire in France and the corresponding years in England.
Thanks for explaining about the book with Louis XVI’s mistress–that does sound odd.
March 8, 2008 at 4:43 am
Well, but other mistakes by authors fly right over my head. I guess the better you know a subject, the less you can enjoy fiction about said subject?
Finding large facts is easy; it’s the little details that defeat me - day to day life. How do I find out about Venice in the 18th century? Where would a rich man rent a house in Paris?
OT, have any of you read Kate Ross’ Julien Kestrel mysteries?
March 8, 2008 at 8:52 am
I think knowing a lot about a subject can definitely make it difficult to enjoy fiction about it (my parents were both psychologists and tended to have issues with movies, books, tv shows about psychologists and psychiatrists, and I have several lawyer friends who have similar problems with fiction about lawyers). On the other hand, I think it’s also really fun to read about something you know a lot about. I love reading Regency and Napoleonic fiction. And yes, I have read Kate Ross’s books and love them, particularly the last one, which also deals with another favorite subject of mine–opera. So horribly tragic she died so young.
Little details are always the most maddening. I find letters and journals are great for details of every day life. It’s easier when dealing with Britain because sources are in English, but there must be French and Venetian sources that are translated. And a lot of English people made the Grand Tour and wrote about it in letters home or diaries. Sometimes great everyday life info is in biographies in quotes from letters, etc…