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		<title>By: Tracy Grant</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew I wanted Colin to have been in trouble earlier in the evening, so that when he&#039;s missing at first they think he&#039;s hiding or perhaps has run away.  When I started to think through why Colin had might have got in trouble, I thought of the themes of the book--trust, betrayal, seeing a story from  different perspective.  I knew Colin was going to have a little sister (as I&#039;ve mentioned, I wanted anotehr child for Mélanie and Charles to interact with) and at the time a good friend&#039;s kids were very into wooden swords from the Renaissance Faire.  With that, the scene with the wooden sword and battle axe fell into place.  At one point it was longer (before I cut it down for pacing) and Charles actually said something to Colin like &quot;Jessica trusts you.  It&#039;s a big thing when someone gives you their trust.&quot;  A bit heavy-handed, perhaps.  I&#039;m glad the parallels came through without it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew I wanted Colin to have been in trouble earlier in the evening, so that when he&#8217;s missing at first they think he&#8217;s hiding or perhaps has run away.  When I started to think through why Colin had might have got in trouble, I thought of the themes of the book&#8211;trust, betrayal, seeing a story from  different perspective.  I knew Colin was going to have a little sister (as I&#8217;ve mentioned, I wanted anotehr child for Mélanie and Charles to interact with) and at the time a good friend&#8217;s kids were very into wooden swords from the Renaissance Faire.  With that, the scene with the wooden sword and battle axe fell into place.  At one point it was longer (before I cut it down for pacing) and Charles actually said something to Colin like &#8220;Jessica trusts you.  It&#8217;s a big thing when someone gives you their trust.&#8221;  A bit heavy-handed, perhaps.  I&#8217;m glad the parallels came through without it!</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1670</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 03:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say that it was an &quot;Oh, my God!&quot; moment when I noticed the parallels, and I felt such delight that Colin &quot;speaks up&quot; for Mélanie, who seems too resigned through out the course of the events. May I ask how you came up with the parallels?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say that it was an &#8220;Oh, my God!&#8221; moment when I noticed the parallels, and I felt such delight that Colin &#8220;speaks up&#8221; for Mélanie, who seems too resigned through out the course of the events. May I ask how you came up with the parallels?</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Grant</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1595</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edwardgaiety, thanks so much for letting me know about the comment on the Avon Board!  I hadn&#039;t realized it was there. 

Sharon, Serena definitely has a life off the page in my head, so I&#039;m glad that came through in the book!  And I&#039;m so pleased you noticed the thematic parallels to Mélanie and Charles and in the opening with Colin and Jessica.  I worked hard to structure the scene and Colin&#039;s thoughts to set up the themes of the book. So glad that came through!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edwardgaiety, thanks so much for letting me know about the comment on the Avon Board!  I hadn&#8217;t realized it was there. </p>
<p>Sharon, Serena definitely has a life off the page in my head, so I&#8217;m glad that came through in the book!  And I&#8217;m so pleased you noticed the thematic parallels to Mélanie and Charles and in the opening with Colin and Jessica.  I worked hard to structure the scene and Colin&#8217;s thoughts to set up the themes of the book. So glad that came through!</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Grant</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JMM, I so agree.  I think kids can be a great foil for showing things about adult characters, but as you and Sharon articulated so well the child characters need to be people in their own right.  

Yes, I do wish the film of &quot;The Other Boleyn Girl&quot; hadn&#039;t made Mary quite so &quot;nice.&quot;  I had mixed feelings about the changes to Elizabeth Boleyn&#039;s character--part of me missed the ruthless schemer from the books (who made it clear the Boleyn children had no other family allies).  But I see why they changed her character in the movie--it allowed a character to articulate some of the things the audience in thinking, and it added tension to the scenes with Norfolk and Thomas Boleyn by having her not share their agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JMM, I so agree.  I think kids can be a great foil for showing things about adult characters, but as you and Sharon articulated so well the child characters need to be people in their own right.  </p>
<p>Yes, I do wish the film of &#8220;The Other Boleyn Girl&#8221; hadn&#8217;t made Mary quite so &#8220;nice.&#8221;  I had mixed feelings about the changes to Elizabeth Boleyn&#8217;s character&#8211;part of me missed the ruthless schemer from the books (who made it clear the Boleyn children had no other family allies).  But I see why they changed her character in the movie&#8211;it allowed a character to articulate some of the things the audience in thinking, and it added tension to the scenes with Norfolk and Thomas Boleyn by having her not share their agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I don’t recall reading Serena’s pov, but she comes to life for me because in addition to her wiser-beyond-her-age remarks, I also get to see her dealing with issues in her own life, i.e. her growing up. Perhaps those passages are there for Charlie’s benefit, but their inclusion makes me feel that Serena has a life of her own “off page” although I am not privileged to see it. Felix is alive because he has his concerns and is relentless in pursuing them. Jessamy comes to live for me because IIRC he lapses into a child of his age in a moment of crisis, despite his best efforts at behaving reasonably and wisely (above his age) most of the times. In each case, I am convinced that the child is his or her own person and has his or her own purpose other than being cute or amusing or showing off the author’s wit.

As to that first scene with the Frasers in the nursery, I think it absolutely brilliant: not only do we first see Mélanie &amp; Charles through Colin’s pov, but we also see their whole story through a child’s pov. How neat is that the children’s story foreshadows the parents’! (Of course I didn’t realize that when I first read it. It’s only upon second reading that I realized all Colin’s feeling could apply to Mélanie.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don’t recall reading Serena’s pov, but she comes to life for me because in addition to her wiser-beyond-her-age remarks, I also get to see her dealing with issues in her own life, i.e. her growing up. Perhaps those passages are there for Charlie’s benefit, but their inclusion makes me feel that Serena has a life of her own “off page” although I am not privileged to see it. Felix is alive because he has his concerns and is relentless in pursuing them. Jessamy comes to live for me because IIRC he lapses into a child of his age in a moment of crisis, despite his best efforts at behaving reasonably and wisely (above his age) most of the times. In each case, I am convinced that the child is his or her own person and has his or her own purpose other than being cute or amusing or showing off the author’s wit.</p>
<p>As to that first scene with the Frasers in the nursery, I think it absolutely brilliant: not only do we first see Mélanie &amp; Charles through Colin’s pov, but we also see their whole story through a child’s pov. How neat is that the children’s story foreshadows the parents’! (Of course I didn’t realize that when I first read it. It’s only upon second reading that I realized all Colin’s feeling could apply to Mélanie.)</p>
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		<title>By: edwardiangaiety</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1591</link>
		<dc:creator>edwardiangaiety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracy--someone has asked you a question over at the Avon Ladies board!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracy&#8211;someone has asked you a question over at the Avon Ladies board!</p>
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		<title>By: JMM</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1590</link>
		<dc:creator>JMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw The Other Boleyn Girl. I did enjoy it; but I would have enjoyed it more if it wasn&#039;t *called* The Other Bolyen Girl. 

I mean, if one is going to make a movie based on a book, it should contain the book&#039;s... point of view. (Whether or not the book is &quot;historically accurate&quot;) 



SPOILERS

As I predicted, Mary was &quot;softened up&quot; in the movie. 

In the book, Mary was much more active in the plot to make Anne the queen. She helped Anne seduce Henry. She betrayed Catherine by giving her uncle a note the queen had received from Spain - because she was a woman, and her family was all she had. 

She did NOT rush to Henry to beg for Anne&#039;s life; she knew she could not. 

Their mother did not object to Anne and Mary being used; she was just as eager for power as her husband and brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw The Other Boleyn Girl. I did enjoy it; but I would have enjoyed it more if it wasn&#8217;t *called* The Other Bolyen Girl. </p>
<p>I mean, if one is going to make a movie based on a book, it should contain the book&#8217;s&#8230; point of view. (Whether or not the book is &#8220;historically accurate&#8221;) </p>
<p>SPOILERS</p>
<p>As I predicted, Mary was &#8220;softened up&#8221; in the movie. </p>
<p>In the book, Mary was much more active in the plot to make Anne the queen. She helped Anne seduce Henry. She betrayed Catherine by giving her uncle a note the queen had received from Spain &#8211; because she was a woman, and her family was all she had. </p>
<p>She did NOT rush to Henry to beg for Anne&#8217;s life; she knew she could not. </p>
<p>Their mother did not object to Anne and Mary being used; she was just as eager for power as her husband and brother.</p>
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		<title>By: JMM</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator>JMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main problem with children as characters is; too often they are UWC - Unnaturally Wise Children, smarter than mom and dad. 

Or they are, as Sharon said, &quot;throwaway props&quot; who only exist when they are needed to say (lisp) something cute. 

Or they are a prop to show the Goodness of the heroine (because she loves kids and wants a dozen) and the Evilness of the villainness (who doesn&#039;t like children or want any of her own). 

One (another) thing I enjoy about your books, Tracy is the acknowledgement that aristocratic parents were not like the soccer moms of today - they didn&#039;t spend 24 hours a day with the kiddies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main problem with children as characters is; too often they are UWC &#8211; Unnaturally Wise Children, smarter than mom and dad. </p>
<p>Or they are, as Sharon said, &#8220;throwaway props&#8221; who only exist when they are needed to say (lisp) something cute. </p>
<p>Or they are a prop to show the Goodness of the heroine (because she loves kids and wants a dozen) and the Evilness of the villainness (who doesn&#8217;t like children or want any of her own). </p>
<p>One (another) thing I enjoy about your books, Tracy is the acknowledgement that aristocratic parents were not like the soccer moms of today &#8211; they didn&#8217;t spend 24 hours a day with the kiddies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Grant</title>
		<link>http://tracygrant.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/the-nursery-set/#comment-1588</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a really good point, Sharon.  I think writing form kid&#039;s pov can help make them people in their own right.  I&#039;m trying to think if Georgette Heyer writes from Felix&#039;s pov in &quot;Frederica&quot;--I&#039;m not sure if she does, but Felix and his brother Jessamy are definitely their own people, and it&#039;s fun to think of them as adults.  I reworked several of the passages from Colin&#039;s pov to try to make sure I was seeing the world through his eyes.  I liked having the first glimpse of Charles and Mélanie be from their son&#039;s perspective.  I wrote about them from Colin&#039;s pov before I&#039;d written any scenes with them, so in a sense I discovered them through Colin&#039;s pov myself.  So glad you liked Serena--she was a lot of fun to write! (I don&#039;t think I ever used her pov, but I have a very clear sense of her thought process).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a really good point, Sharon.  I think writing form kid&#8217;s pov can help make them people in their own right.  I&#8217;m trying to think if Georgette Heyer writes from Felix&#8217;s pov in &#8220;Frederica&#8221;&#8211;I&#8217;m not sure if she does, but Felix and his brother Jessamy are definitely their own people, and it&#8217;s fun to think of them as adults.  I reworked several of the passages from Colin&#8217;s pov to try to make sure I was seeing the world through his eyes.  I liked having the first glimpse of Charles and Mélanie be from their son&#8217;s perspective.  I wrote about them from Colin&#8217;s pov before I&#8217;d written any scenes with them, so in a sense I discovered them through Colin&#8217;s pov myself.  So glad you liked Serena&#8211;she was a lot of fun to write! (I don&#8217;t think I ever used her pov, but I have a very clear sense of her thought process).</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like children in books. That is, I like them in children’s fictions in which they could shine as heroes and heroines. I like the children in “A wrinkle in time” and its sequels, as well as the 4 siblings/cousins in a set of mystery/detective stories (set in Wales?) that I read a long time ago and have unfortunately forgotten what the titles are or who wrote them.

As to children in popular fictions for adults, I am afraid many of them suffer from Stock Character Syndrome. I understand that authors create them to advance the stories, but I sometimes want to scream “They are little persons. Don’t treat them like throw away props!” at these authors. :) Most of the books that I like with children in them either include a few passages from the children’s point of views, or convinced me that these children have the potentials of growing into interesting adults. I’ve just started reading “A Thousand Splendid Suns” and I like it that the author opens the story with a child’s view of her parents, thus the complex world into which she is born. Similarly, I like it in “Secrets of a Lady” that we first see Charles and Mélanie through Colin’s eyes. I’ve recently read “Rightfully His” and I have to say that I like Serena very much. I think she is one of those children who show potentials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like children in books. That is, I like them in children’s fictions in which they could shine as heroes and heroines. I like the children in “A wrinkle in time” and its sequels, as well as the 4 siblings/cousins in a set of mystery/detective stories (set in Wales?) that I read a long time ago and have unfortunately forgotten what the titles are or who wrote them.</p>
<p>As to children in popular fictions for adults, I am afraid many of them suffer from Stock Character Syndrome. I understand that authors create them to advance the stories, but I sometimes want to scream “They are little persons. Don’t treat them like throw away props!” at these authors. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Most of the books that I like with children in them either include a few passages from the children’s point of views, or convinced me that these children have the potentials of growing into interesting adults. I’ve just started reading “A Thousand Splendid Suns” and I like it that the author opens the story with a child’s view of her parents, thus the complex world into which she is born. Similarly, I like it in “Secrets of a Lady” that we first see Charles and Mélanie through Colin’s eyes. I’ve recently read “Rightfully His” and I have to say that I like Serena very much. I think she is one of those children who show potentials.</p>
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