I’ve been working on character profiles for Charles & Mélanie Book #4, which means, among other things, I’ve been thinking about the villain. Or perhaps I should say antagonist. Because this process got me to ponder the concept of villains and which characters can properly be called villains.
The Oxford Dictionary defines a villain as Person guilty or capable of great wickedness, scoundrel; character in play, novel, etc., whose evil motives or actions are an important element of the plot; (colloq., playful) rascal, scamp.
When I think of villains, the key bit is an important element of the plot. When I think of characters who can be called “the villain” of a story, they’re the driving force behind much of the plot. As I mentioned on the blog previously, I saw a fabulous Othello at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival last month. Iago is my definition of a villain, in that he’s at the center of the story and his scheming drives the plot (in fact, he drives the plot much more than Othello does).
So in a mystery or suspense story, defining a villain can be tricky. There tend to be multiple characters after the “McGuffin,” multiple people with motives to murder, multiple strands of intrigue and conspiracy. I realized I wasn’t at all sure whom I’d call the villain (or villains) in Secrets of a Lady. Carevalo? Edgar? Meg? Jack? From some readers’ comments, I think they’d even call Raoul a villain. Meg and Jack have their own agenda, which leads them to some horrible actions. They affect the plot, but they aren’t the driving force behind it. Edgar, in mystery terms, is the murderer. He’s the mastermind of the attacks on Mel and Charles, but when it comes to Colin’s abduction and the search for the ring, he too is reacting. And of course in most mysteries the murderer’s actions are shrouded in secrecy until the denouement, so even if he or she is driving the plot, one likely doesn’t see it, except perhaps on a re-read.
Carevalo is the mastermind of and driving force behind Colin’s abduction and the search for the ring, but he dies before the denouement, so that the final confrontation is with Meg and Jack and, ultimately, with Edgar. And neither Carevalo nor Edgar is the driving force behind one of the key arcs in the book, the conflict between Charles and Mélanie. In that arc, I suppose, Raoul might be called the villain. He is certainly, at least in the past, the driving force behind much of what happened between Charles and Mel. But ultimately, as I think Charles and Mel would agree, their choices are their own as is the resultant conflict. And while Raoul’s actions are distinctly ambiguous, I wouldn’t call either his actions or his motivations villainous. Mileage definitely may vary.
I won’t go into as much detail on Beneath a Silent Moon, because I know some people who read this blog and comment regularly haven’t read it yet. But when it comes to Beneath, I find it even more difficult to tease out whom I would call the villain. And I’m not at all sure that whom I would call the villain correlates with the person who is unmasked as the murder. I’ve always had a difficult time with villains in general. Since I tend to paint my characters in a lot of shades of gray, it’s often hard to tease out who the villains are or to draw a line between villains and heroes. The characters are often driven not by grand schemes but by personal follies and foibles or perhaps the desire to protect those they love. My books are filled with spies, but often the scheming masterminds turn out not to be the murderers. I have written at least one character, though, whom I would unequivocally call a villain. Daniel de Ribard, whose machinations are a driving force in two of my historical romances, Shadows of the Heart and Rightfully His. Daniel is scheming, brilliant, ruthless, and quite unscrupulous. He is, hopefully, fairly complex, and there may even be one or two moments where one feels a twinge of sympathy for him. But he is undeniably a villain, both in his behavior and in the way he drives the action of both books. Interestingly, I think both Raoul and Kenneth Fraser, in different ways, owe a bit to Daniel.
Do you have favorite literary villains? How would you define what makes a character a villain in a story? Whom would you call the villain or villains in Secrets of a Lady? Or in Beneath a Silent Moon (with spoiler space)?
Be sure to check out the new letter I’ve posted in the Fraser Correspondence. It’s from Charles to David, about revisiting the Berkeley Square house.
September 24, 2008 at 5:07 am
Why is Raoul considered a villain? Because he’s on what is considered the “wrong side” by so many Regency readers?
If he was on the “right side” (aka, the British Royalist), would anyone even blink at his actions?
Raoul isn’t a saint by any means. But he has limits, unlike Carevelo; a man who sacrificed his own (teenaged) son in cold blood for the Royalist cause.
I think (perhaps this is OT) one thing that makes a character “villainous” is the inability to see any point of view other than his or her own.
September 24, 2008 at 7:20 am
I’m not entirely sure why some readers think of Raoul as a villain, JMM, but I suspect it has more to with his manipulation of Charles and Mélanie than with the side he’s on. Interesting, though, to ponder what people would think if he was British.
I’ve never thought of Raoul as a villain, I largely because, as you say, he has limits. I like the comparison with Carevalo–Mel and Charles both at various times claim Raoul would be capable of turning on them, but I’m not sure they’re right.
Excellent point that inability to see a point of view other than their own is one thing that makes a character “villainous”–I think that’s certainly true of Edgar and Carevalo.
September 24, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I can’t say I’ve ever liked a villain. Villains are villains, and they’re bad. Just because a villain does a few nice things doesn’t make them any less a villain.
I’ve never understood the phrase “a villain you love to hate”. I want to be around the hero and heroine, not the villain.
September 25, 2008 at 12:32 am
I think when people talk about the villain they love to hate, they mean the antagonist.
(Who might be considered a villain if they stand between the Hero/Heroine and H/H’s goal. This makes them neccessary for the plot – people don’t read “Hero meets heroine, they date, fall in love and get married, the end. There has to be some conflict; even if it’s not a villain.)
My question: what’s the difference between a villain and an antagonist? Not all villains are drooling serial killers.
September 25, 2008 at 12:42 am
Linda, you bring up an interesting point. For me there are both villains for whom I feel some sympathy (Milady deWinter, Reggie Davenport in the book where he was the villain) and villains who are such brilliant, welldrawn schemers that they’re fascinating to read about (Iago and Richard III, though depending on how they’re played I also find myself feeling twinges of sympathy or at least empathy for them in certain scenes).
September 25, 2008 at 12:48 am
JMM, for me the difference between a villain and an antagonist is that a the word villain implies a certain amount of “evil” motivation (however one defines that). An antagonist might be someone who happens to be on the opposite side in a war or political conflict (Raoul, at least as far as Charles goes) or a parent who think the hero/heroine is wrong for their daughter/son, a lawyer arguing the opposite side in a courtroom drama. You could even have a love story where the protagonist and antagonist were the hero and heroine.
But the diving line between villain and antagonist can be blurry. I’d love to hear how other people define it.
September 25, 2008 at 1:53 am
IMHO, it’s often also the readers’ interpretation of the character.
I mean, no one likes a serial killer character (no one I know will admit it). But I have read books where I want to kill the villain/antagonist (that’s good writing). But other readers will say, “Oh, he/she is not so bad. Just misunderstood.” Guh!
My view of the dividing line:
Villain wants personal gain and is willing to do ANYTHING to get it.
Antagonist is fighting for a cause but will not to ANYTHING; there are limits.
Villain: Is willing to use force to keep his/her “beloved” with him/her.
Antagonist: will fight, but will let beloved go if it is his/her wish.
Villain: wants revenge (sometimes for reasons that only exist in his/her sick mind) and will hurt innocent people to get it.
Antagonist: wants revenge but will realize (sometimes belatedly) that it’s wrong to hurt the innocent.
September 25, 2008 at 6:17 am
Good distinctions, JMM. I tend to agree with them–but I think you’re also right that the distinction between villain and antagonist often lies in the reader’s interpretation. Even if the villain/antagonist has limits what the reader thinks of those limits may have a lot to do with the reader’s own perspective.
Can you think of villains/antagonists you’ve disagreed with other readers about?
September 25, 2008 at 8:11 am
Some similar points were raised in Tracy’s discussion of ‘anti-heroines’, or sympathetic female antagonists (like Milady).
I don’t think an antagonist has to have any ‘give’ – that would make them merely a secondary hero/heroine. The antagonist should have their own set of rules, and somehow make the reader understand their point of view; amoral strengths can be just as effective as altruistic motives!
September 25, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Sarah, I think it can be fascinating to read or write from the pov of an amoral character. I remember reading the scene in “The Talented Mr. Ripley” where he first considers committing murder. I was reading along in his pov and he sounded perfectly logical and then I did a double take realizing the line he had just crossed. Very effective writing. I do als o think it’s possible, though, to have an antagonist who’s rules are just as “moral” as the protagonist’s, so that which character is the protagonist has to do with who’s pov the story in told from.
In “Casablanca,” Victor Lazlo is actually an antagonist, in terms of the central love story. Louis is an antagonist for much of the movie too. Whereas Major Strosser I would definitely call a villain.
September 26, 2008 at 4:01 am
Oh! I realized after I wrote my replies; of COURSE, a “cause” doesn’t make a character moral. After all, a Nazi can’t be a hero. Ever.
Many issues in romances are not really black and white; more gray. Especially in the modern world.
I disagree with many POTO fans – Erik is NOT a hero. He’s a stalker and a murderer. And Dracula. I’ve read and enjoyed some vampire romances, but I don’t get the attraction – he fed a baby to his concubines. That scene kinda killed the romance.
September 26, 2008 at 6:40 am
Absolutely, JMM–it all depends on the cause. As my fellow writer and friend Penny Wiliamson says, most people don’t see themselves as doing evil. They find a way to argue for the rightness of their actions.
I prefer stories where the issues are more gray, as is the divide between heroes and villains, protagonists and antagonists.
I haven’t read “Phantom,” but in the musical and other adaptations, I didn’t precisely see Erik as a hero. An antagonist for whom I felt sympathy at times, yes, but even in the musical he murders people. I did read Dracula years ago, and I didn’t see him as a hero at all in the book. He does approach being a hero–or at least a sympathetic (not to mention sexy
villain–in several adaptations. Pam Rosenthal did a fascinating post on vampire stories on History Hoydens last week.
September 28, 2008 at 2:38 am
Late to the party.
I am much more sympathetic toward the phantom in the musical than I am toward Erik in the novel, from what I could remember of it. (I don’t’ know why, but I can hardly see the phantom in the musical as Erik, so they seem two characters to me.) Nevertheless, I consider both of them villains rather than antagonists. When I screamed in my mind, “No, no, stop it !”, I know they’ve crossed the line. The same thing happened when I saw the movie The Talented Mr. Ripley.
I think a good example of an antagonist whose causes are just and moral is Javert in Les Miserables, in which the real villain I think is the conviction of absolutes that Javert so firmly clung to. I like stories in which the villains are not persons, but an ideology or the structural evil of societies, instead. Perhaps I read too much into the lines (or with too much of the 21st century political correctness), but I cannot think of Shylock in The Merchant of Venice as the villain. The real villain, I think, is the structural evil/abuse masquerading as just laws.
September 28, 2008 at 7:43 am
Always great to hear from you, Sharon, late or not
(and it’s not really late, it’s just that I got this week’s post up early for a change). I too like stories in which the villain (or at least part of what contributes to villainy) is societal. I don’t think of Shylock as a villain nor do I think Shakespeare saw him as a villain. There’s too much that goes against such a simplistic reading, from “If you tickle us do we not laugh?” speech to Shylock’s grief and rage over the loss of his beloved’s ring versus Bassanio giving away Portia’s. Oddly, I’m more inclined to see Javert as a villain. Going back to JMM’s comments, Javert is too unable to see any point of view other than his own. I suppose that’s true of Shylock in a sense as well, but Javert has the force of the state behind him whereas Shylock is more of a social outcast.
September 29, 2008 at 4:41 am
It’s interesting that Javert’s having the force of the state behind him is exactly the reason why I see him more an antagonist than a villain. I have a hard time thinking of individuals who are products of their time as villains. Certainly they fail to rise above the situations, but the true villainy in my view is the group consciousness that creates such individuals.
September 29, 2008 at 6:04 am
Totally agree about the group consciousness and the social forces that create a man like, Javert, Sharon. “Les Miserables” would be a lot less powerful if it were simply a cat and mouse game between two men, without the society that shaped both of them. But Javert’s relentlessness crosses a line for me somehow (unlike, say the Tommy Lee Jones character in “The Fugitive” or the Al Pacino and Robert De Niro characters in “Heat”). And somehow I find a lack of empathy and compassion and ambiguity tolerance fmore understandable in a social outcast than in a social insider.
September 29, 2008 at 6:37 am
p.s.
That doesn’t mean I don’t find Javert a complex and compelling character. I even feel sympathy for him at certain points in the story.
I think it’s interesting that though he is now in a position of power, he, like Jean Valjean, came from “the gutter.”